jehovah's witnesses do not break up families.
members who refuse to become or remain jehovah's witnesses... break up families.. really, you apostates have such a distorted perception of reality.. .
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Well played sir. You could also say that Jehovah's Witnesses Do Not break up families because technically the cult becomes your new family when you join. We may have lost relatives, but they're still with the one "true" family.
Jehovah is daddy, the Governing Body is mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6udew9axmdm.
Very creepy.
I find it hilarious that Joseph Smith claimed to get many of the ideas for the rituals and temple ceremonies from God, yet he actually just ripped them off from the Masons. You have to admit he was an extremely successful con-man. It's just sad that in this day and age people are still falling for it.
just a funny poll from a european perspective:.
in a major norwegian newspaper 84 percent voted barack obama best in the 2nd presidential debate,.
at the same time there was a poll on which dress was the most flattering to their wives they were both in pink.. michelle got the exact same vote as her husband, 84 per cent were in favor of her dress.. .
Uber-conservative Ben Stein admits - "taxes are too low" - on FOX.
I'm surprised they didn't stone him on the spot. What the hell was he thinking, it's FOX, stick to the script, damnit!!
The Bowles-Simpson commission pretty much laid out what needs to be done if we're serious about debt reduction.
The problem is it had things in there that aren't appealing to either party. Cuts in government spending, a slight increase in taxes, and defense cuts. Both sides need to compromise. What concerns me is the complete lack of compromise that's been coming from the Republicans in the last few years.
just a funny poll from a european perspective:.
in a major norwegian newspaper 84 percent voted barack obama best in the 2nd presidential debate,.
at the same time there was a poll on which dress was the most flattering to their wives they were both in pink.. michelle got the exact same vote as her husband, 84 per cent were in favor of her dress.. .
It seems clear that Romney's economic policies will actually be worse for the debt than Obama's.
Resistance - That's quite a statement. What is the source you get your information from?
Well let's start with the most obvious aspect of his economic policies, his massive tax cuts. Why won't he tell voters the specifics on how it will be revenue neutral? Because he knows it will increase the debt, that's why he won't give details.
It's clear that he made this wild promise to significantly lower taxes while somehow magically offsetting the loss in tax revenue because he was pandering for votes. That's what politicians do. But now he's in the awkward stage of having to actually explain how the math works without adding to the debt. It's clear that it doesn't. Politicians make wild claims, such as the Obama administration claiming they'd get unemployment down to 5.6% during the worst recession since the Great Depression. Or Newt Gingrich's claim that if elected he'd get gas prices down to $2.50 per gallon. It's our job as informed voters to see through the bs and realize exactly what these politicians will and won't do. It's clear Romney would go down the exact same economic path George W. Bush did by lowering taxes and increasing spending.
The Congressional Budget Office estimates that extending the Bush tax cuts to 2020 would add $3.3 trillion to the debt. Keep in mind Romney would add even more to that debt since he wants an across the board 20% cut on top of what was supposed to be the temporary rates Bush passed.
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/21670
Obama's proposed tax plan is simply more fiscally conservative and won't add as much to the debt in comparison to Romney's. This country is pulling out of the recession, we're much better off than four years ago when we were losing over 800,000 jobs per month. The dumbest thing we could do is go right back to the policies that led us into the recession in the first place.
just a funny poll from a european perspective:.
in a major norwegian newspaper 84 percent voted barack obama best in the 2nd presidential debate,.
at the same time there was a poll on which dress was the most flattering to their wives they were both in pink.. michelle got the exact same vote as her husband, 84 per cent were in favor of her dress.. .
Which president was the last to balance the budget? Was it Reagan, nope. George W. Bush, not even close.
It was Clinton. I understand that Republicans don't want to acknowledge that the most fiscally conservative president in the last four decades was a Democrat.
I've even heard the argument that it wasn't Clinton that was responsible for the surplus, but instead it was the Republicans in Congress. Which is slightly hypocritical if we're going to fault a president when the economy isn't doing well, but when the economy is booming we give credit to Congress? I could care less about who really gets credit. What's important is to take note of what economic policies were in place when this surplus was created.
Does the economic policies Romney's proposing look anything like what was in place under the Clinton years? Not by a long shot. They look a lot more like what we had under Bush, and we saw how well that worked out.
It seems clear that Romney's economic policies will actually be worse for the debt than Obama's.
hi,.
i am new to here so please be bear with me.. i have always believed in god, but was never baptised, my parents wanted me to make up my own mind religon wise.. i am thinking of becoming a jw and am just needing some advice on how to do this, bible study and jw beliefs.
also do jw say grace and how.. i am greatful of any help.. thanks.
You don't need the Witnesses to find God, in fact they will turn you away from him.
There's a lot of great advice and points brought up in this thread, but this quote from Nambo really hits the nail on the head.
What the Jehovah's Witnesses and other high control religious groups do is "poison the well" on spiritual belief. What I mean is they condemn every other religion as being false and unpleasing to God. They convince you that their group is the only one in the world that's doing the will of God. They'll attempt to convince you that the only way to have a relationship with God is by going through their group. This concept becomes indoctrinated into the worldview of the follower, so if they ever escape from the group there's this lingering belief that they've somehow left God. The organization doesn't equal God, you don't need a man-made organization to have a relationship with God. You don't need to go inside a man-made building to worship God or to give thanks for his creation.
Acts 17:24 "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands".
I think the term "spiritual abuse" accurately describes what the Jehovah's Witnesses and other cults do to their followers.
just a funny poll from a european perspective:.
in a major norwegian newspaper 84 percent voted barack obama best in the 2nd presidential debate,.
at the same time there was a poll on which dress was the most flattering to their wives they were both in pink.. michelle got the exact same vote as her husband, 84 per cent were in favor of her dress.. .
Yes, let's all contemplate the neo-cons great record on foreign affairs.
Tax cuts and talk of war in the Middle East; anyone else get a feeling of deja vu?
hi,.
i am new to here so please be bear with me.. i have always believed in god, but was never baptised, my parents wanted me to make up my own mind religon wise.. i am thinking of becoming a jw and am just needing some advice on how to do this, bible study and jw beliefs.
also do jw say grace and how.. i am greatful of any help.. thanks.
You're being actively recruited into a doomsday cult. The recruitment period into a cult can be likened to a "honeymoon" phase. The group's members will make you feel welcomed and accepted; they've been trained to act this way. You really should read as much as you can about cults and cult recruitment tactics. Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steve Hassan is a great book that will give insight into what you'll be experiencing if you continue allowing the Watchtower recruiters to pull you into their isolated little world.
The Watchtower representatives will claim they're not trying to recruit you, that they only want to share teachings from the Bible with you, that's a lie. The structure of the door to door work is designed to make people become members. You will be taught that only the group has "truth". You'll eventually be told to isolate yourself from those outside the group because they're in the "world" and bad association. You'll eventually be told that only people inside the group will survive an impending judgment from God. They'll eventually tell you that this judgment day is coming soon, and you must go door to door recruiting new members in order to earn your way into paradise.
Please for your own sake as well as your loved ones (cults often require that loved ones must be recruited as well) research as much as you can about the Watchtower organization. jwfacts.com is fantastic resource for anyone wanting to learn what the Jehovah's Witnesses really teach.
Most Jehovah's Witnesses are decent people; it's a misconception to think that someone in a religious cult is a bad person or somehow unintelligent. Most of the members were born into the group, they can't escape unless they're willing to lose their family and "friends" still in the group. After recruitment into the group there is no way to honorably leave, those who try to walk away peacefully are slandered as being influenced by Satan or gross sinners. Maintaining a relationship with someone who walks away from the group is forbidden, even family members. The group will become your new family; the group members will become your new brothers and sisters. But this sense of family and belonging will be removed the instant you question the leadership of the group. Anyone that doesn't show complete obedience to the group and the unique doctrines of the group are judged as being bad association and undeserving of God's protection at Armageddon.
Eventually you'll be taught that the men who run the religion have been chosen by God, and to question these men is equivalent to questioning God himself. These men on the Governing Body who run the religion get to decide what's "truth" and how the Bible should be interpreted. Disagreeing with these imperfect men and their interpretation of scripture will get you disfellowshipped. As a new recruit into the group you're free to ask as many questions as you want, once fully recruited into the group this freedom is stripped from you. After the recruitment process, openly questioning the leaders of the group will get you marked by other obedient members as "spiritually weak", and you'll be threatened with expulsion.
Take your time and fully research this apocalyptic group. The rabbit hole goes very, very deep.
it always bothers me that the society boasts unity, as jehovah's witnesses don't have other branches and groups stemming from them, like the amish for example.
the wts is justified to brag unity of belief; to the point where the same program is taught in the whole world.. i blame those who leave and yet continue to believe in jehovah and jesus (i'm an atheist).
it seems a schism is above those who dissent from the org.
Watchtower unity= forced conformity. It's nothing to brag about.
i realize that most democrats and republicans will simply vote their party preference this election.
but i can see romneycare possibly becoming a big issue for independents.
this issue portrays romney as a flip-flopper, and might create a lack of trust in him.
Interesting deflection strategy you got there. Healthcare costs affect the economy, I thought the economy was a big issue this election. Now you'd prefer to talk about foreign policy? Great, start a thread on it.
It's also arrogant to proclaim which issues are relevant to other voters. You do realize that most voters are capable of analyzing more than one issue during an election, don't you?
